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DATE | 2003-03-12 |
FROM | Dave Williams
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SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
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From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Wed Mar 12 02:45:17 2003 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h2C7jHBt010988 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:45:17 -0500 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h2C7jHxo010987 for hangout-desteny; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:45:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h2C7jHBt010981 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:45:17 -0500 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h2C7jHJ2010980 for hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:45:17 -0500 Received: from mail1.informationwave.net (dipole.informationwave.net [199.74.235.3]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h2C7V0Bt010745 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:31:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.informationwave.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD384F9EA; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pehdialup00-28.STM1.dialassurance.com (pehdialup00-28.STM1.dialassurance.com [140.186.90.28]) by mail1.informationwave.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ACA4F9E9; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:34:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum From: Dave Williams To: Bruce Perens Cc: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com, hangout-at-nylxs.com, jays-at-panix.com, rms-at-gnu.org In-Reply-To: <20030312024738.85B8624EE5-at-perens.com> References: <20030312024738.85B8624EE5-at-perens.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1047454431.24557.13.camel-at-connie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 12 Mar 2003 02:33:52 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dave Williams List: New Yorkers Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribename-at-domian.com to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Keywords: X-UID: 9997 Status: RO Content-Length: 2604 Lines: 62
Sorry, Mr. Perens, but I think you are avoiding the issue.
No one questions your participation in the Open Source and Free Software movements in the past. Likewise, no one doubts that you have gained personally from your participation, as demonstrated by your public profile.
But you still haven't answered the question of why there will be Microsoft and Software Choice Initiative presentations at the eGovOS conference.
As a member of the Cyber Policy Institute creating the event (as well as the OSI), you are accountable for these choices. Your travel requirements allowed you to avoid the issue previously, but the question remains. Based on the conference's definitions and requirements there is no substantial justification for these presentations, and the possibility of harm is arguable enough to be considered.
When you talk about an unrelated conference it sounds like pandering, as though you are uncertain of your passive role in the situation and wish to be perceived as on the ethical side of the issue.
I don't wish to insult your intelligence by pointing this out, but it seems to have escaped you thus far: An OS advocacy and demonstration event is about Open Source Software, something you yourself defined. A debate, on the other hand, involves two or more opposing viewpoints. A marketing event can include related vendors, at the discretion of the organizers.
If this isn't an OS Advocacy event please rename it. Better still, clarify that fact in the conference literature. Otherwise, please don't be surprised if people demand accountability where their personal and professional interests are concerned.
The other day you wrote that the ability to admit one's mistakes is a good quality (regarding the tuxedo website). If you don't believe you have made an error in judgment, at least accept the possibility of dissent.
- Dave
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 21:47, Bruce Perens wrote: > From: Ruben Safir > > they have no creditibilty...so why are they presenting at Egov-OS? > > Well, let's look at what people's perceptions are after their speech > and your protest. I remain convinced that while the people there are > going to be interested in Microsoft's appearance, they will be smart > enough to apply their own filters and Free Software will not be damaged. > In contrast, I think you offer the potential to damage our own side, > albeit only mildly. > > Thanks > > Bruce
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