|FROM ||Ruben Safir
|SUBJECT ||Subject: [hangout] Disagree with Jay, and he tries to steal your organization
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:04:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Sulzberger
To: Ruben I Safir
Cc: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com, , ,
Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
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List: New Yorkers Linux Scene
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Ruben I Safir wrote:
> > One person in the audience is worth something.
> Nah. this is a sleeper.
No. One competent person showing up is a lot. Further, showing up may
lead to meetings. If five people show up, this would have a strong effect.
Usually nobody except Englobulator agents and the press show up. All
proceedings are conducted as though the real stakeholders do not exist.
Showing up shows the FCC much, and they will respond.
Indeed we must decide on how to use our resources. And letter writing and
submission of formal comments is important.
> > Press is not everything, as
> > you know ;)
> I don't know what this means. We are in a process now of raising the issue's
> awareness in the public eye in order to affect political policy. And we are doing it
> on limited resources. Even if they pass this, we have years to fight this, and with the likely
> help of Philips. Our biggest concern now is PRESS COVERAGE (not screeming - just emphasising).
> We need mainstream positive press coverage. I don't see a formulea here for this.
This is just because you have not yet studied this particular part of the
battlefield. The possibility of a setback here is more immediate and more
dangerous than anything that was likely to happen at the DOC meeting of 17
July 2002. If the FCC makes a bad rule, then ground will have been lost,
and important ground. Yes, the FCC may reverse a bad ruling, but it is
better to stop the bad ruling.
The proposed ruling may go into effect within a few weeks. If it does then
a bad precedent will have been set. We can stop the bad ruling. And
anyone on our side who shows up tomorrow at the meeting will surely be of
> This is a case where we are best to do a letter writing campaign, which I suggested yesterday
> (over the Berman bill) and go nowhere...instead of everyone prattling on the damn list....
Organization again, please forgive my repetition of this recommendation.
We need solid Net connectivity, and careful advance planning of actions.
We need more delegation of tasks, with mechanisms for reporting. For many
actions, yelling on the hangout list is not adequate as the whole formal
means of organization.
> Get out there and kick out some letters. And get your frieds to do it as well.
> I'd like to see 4 to one letters in their mail box saying that this broadcast flag
> amounts to public theft, and turn their arguments, which we already KNOW by heart by now,
> against them.
> > But if there is no one in the audience from our side, OK.
> > There will be next time.
> > We now commence the building of a nation-wide and
> > international corps of goers to such meetings ;)
> I'm building an effective political party against DRM and the
> protection of Fair Use. I'm not trying to build a nation-wide
> and internation corps of goers to meetings.
No. We need that arm, as the people at Public Knowledge may attest.
> Ever see a dog chase a car bumper head on ;)
> Keep this image in mind when we think of expending money, time
> and resources on events with minor political payoff and limited Press.
This is just a disagreement about one particular move, and hardly even a
disagreement. No disagreement on large tactical issues here.
> Let's just get those letters to them, get a Press release, and keep
> writing the Sentate and Congress.
> REMEMBER ELECTIONS ARE COMING SOON.
> The FCC is not OPEN for election.
And often the Englobulators attack such hidden but important centers of
power. Congress will often trust the "experts at the agencies" rather than
try to deal with sprawling difficult issues, where the advantage is hard to
discern. I do not recommend that any large force from New York be at the
meeting, but rather that some local Washington DC folk show the flag and
talk a bit with the commissioners after the formal meeting. Perhaps a
formal request made directly from the sudience might work.
> Your Congressman IS.
Agree. But there is a story here that the commisioners have not heard, and
the story is one the press will understand. Section 4.12 shows what the
Englobulators have in store for the entire world. 4.12 is naked and 4.12
is undeniable. It is the claim to all the world's printing presses, movie
studios, and recording studios. Even the Big Press will grasp this.
I will write something as soon as I finsh a mite of work next week.
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